I can't deny that i have lost some extra "upholstering" since i started dancing about a year ago-ish, and i am liking my body more, a tiny step at a time. This a great thing! In fact, it is one of the thing i love so much about belly dancing...the way it teaches you to love you body and the awesome things it can do! A woman's body is a magical powerful thing. I admire the lean serpentine bodies just as i admire the big curvaceous beautiful belly dancers, and cheer with joy when i see a larger dancers completely DEMOLISHING the preconcived notion that dancers must be thin to be beautiful.
In my Tribal class last week, my instructor brought me face to face with my bare belly.....and i wanted to sink into a crack in the floor and disappear! Tho' i cannot deny that it helps so much to SEE your tummy in action to get a good understanding of which muscles we are isolating when we do various moves. I leave my tum bare when i practice at home, and while i don't ENJOY the view, it is helpful. What i CAN'T understand is why i feel happy pride when i see other POWERFUL non-tiny bellies, yet i can't extend those great feeling of freedom and empowerment to my OWN self. Why am i so hard on myself when i feel so good about OTHER dancers doing the VERY THING i am too chicken to do by putting it all out there!? My big ugly ego gets in the way of feeling good about myself. Even tho' i feel so much better about how i look, i was still mortified to have my less-than perfect midsection out in the open. I felt vulnerable, even tho' it was plainly GOOD to see what my belly looked like while i tired to isolate and such.
Ego is a terrible rotten thing, and self esteem, oh my...it's a never ending battle to "Love" myself and all my faults. Why can't i just say "Screw it", put on a choli and not worry that i don't have Rachael Brice abs! I am tired of struggling with stupid body image issues!
I dearly hope that with time, i will be come more confident and worry less about these issues and allow myself to let go and enjoy the dance without my ego getting in the way! Has anyone else felt this way? Tell me i am not alone and these feelings CAN be overcome.
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In my Tribal class last week, my instructor brought me face to face with my bare belly.....and i wanted to sink into a crack in the floor and disappear! Tho' i cannot deny that it helps so much to SEE your tummy in action to get a good understanding of which muscles we are isolating when we do various moves. I leave my tum bare when i practice at home, and while i don't ENJOY the view, it is helpful. What i CAN'T understand is why i feel happy pride when i see other POWERFUL non-tiny bellies, yet i can't extend those great feeling of freedom and empowerment to my OWN self. Why am i so hard on myself when i feel so good about OTHER dancers doing the VERY THING i am too chicken to do by putting it all out there!? My big ugly ego gets in the way of feeling good about myself. Even tho' i feel so much better about how i look, i was still mortified to have my less-than perfect midsection out in the open. I felt vulnerable, even tho' it was plainly GOOD to see what my belly looked like while i tired to isolate and such.
Ego is a terrible rotten thing, and self esteem, oh my...it's a never ending battle to "Love" myself and all my faults. Why can't i just say "Screw it", put on a choli and not worry that i don't have Rachael Brice abs! I am tired of struggling with stupid body image issues!
I dearly hope that with time, i will be come more confident and worry less about these issues and allow myself to let go and enjoy the dance without my ego getting in the way! Has anyone else felt this way? Tell me i am not alone and these feelings CAN be overcome.
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 5:25 PMBecause your self-loathing is deeper rooted. When feminism came about, there was definitely a lot of preaching of love thyself, big is beautiful EVERYONE is pretty.
But there is more to it than just that train of thought. We are taught that criticizing out sisters is bad, that we should laud them and give great applause and all that stuff. But we are subconsciously taught to criticize ourselves. And not that your parents shouted you down and called you fat and said you could only get A's in school or you'd be in big trouble. But people often hear from parents and peers "You could've done better" and "I'm disappointed in you" and stuff like that. It keeps sneaking in so that you constantly criticize yourself and can't see the good that there.
Look at how many posts are by women that are pre-qualified by some sort of excuse. "This vid of me I'm posting isn't that good because I was PMSing" "This bra I made isn't as cool as an RB bra" We want praise, and we are proud of what we do, but almost never as it stands up to other people's work.
Here's something to do: Do you have a boyfriend, dudefriend, brother, male person who will be honest with you? Not because I'm sexist, but because of a whole other list of subliminal thought patterns why if a woman praises (or criticizes) you, it won't hit as well.
Take this person, and have them watch you dance. Show them a video of someone of a similar size dancing. Ask them if you did as well, if your similar shapes lend themselves well to the dance. Does your costume flatter you as much? While he may not say your are so totally more fabulous, his words will hopefully be plain and true, without adding fluff to make you feel better. Then you WILL feel better because you will have gotten an objective view from someone you trust to not blow sunshine up your ass. ahem. Ask other people who's opinions you value. It's not fishing for compliments, it's getting an idea of what you do well, and what you need to work on. And by hearing so many views that are neither negative (yours) or fluffy and happy and useless, it will help you to feel what you want to. That you really are talented and just as pretty as that dancer you thought was so fabulous on stage last week.
Oh and by the by: You're not that big. Not even close to big, maybe what one would call not-a-stick. So feel better.
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 7:23 PMButton: First, You're beautiful. You may be totally covered in your photo, but I was having a hard time reconciling the photo with your words. You don't look like you could touch afraid-to-show-my-belly with a 10 foot pole. BUT.....we are all our own worst critics. I hope that you will get to the point where you feel comfortable enough in your own skin to wear that choli and hold your head high.
Octavia's comment reminded me of a thread I started in DIY along similar lines: tribes.tribe.net/diycostum...d6cbdc48c4
Best wishes, dear!
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 7:53 PMI have 2 body parts that i don't like to show to other people.. One is my belly due to the fact i have a long scar between my navel and, hmm, my errr you know... I've had it since i was 14 years old and it's always been an issue..
So i never ever where low rise skirts or pants... Also given the fact that my belly is so white it sort of glows in the dark too.. LOL..
No matter what you look like or what size you are you have to be comfortable when you dance.. I for one dance for fun so i really love to dress up in that tribal garb!! My dancing is the same even if i am covered up...
In fact i think only showing a little bit of skin is just as sexy too.. You don't have to flaunt it all the time.. I do however think i have a nice cleavage so i do wear low tops and push up bras.. We need to accentuate the "good" parts too..
The other body part i am not too thrilled to be showing off are my knees.. Yes my knees! So i usually wear skirts that are below knee or mid calf.. So the long flowing tribal skirts are just right for me.. So i wear them a bit high on my belly but i do try to show my belly button if i can. And that's about it!!! -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 8:10 PMOne of the things that I watch a lot of women wrestle with is the fact that somewhere along the line their body changed. I used to be a size 5 and I have several friends that were little tiny things at one point, now that we are heavier we are all dealing with a different body then what we remember having, this makes me (sometimes) cringe a little when I see pictures of myself with a bare midriff. Not only are we programed by society, or our parents, but we are also programed by ourselves and sometimes that may be the hardest to undue. For me, I try to focus on my dancing, my technique, posture, timing etc and try to just take better care of myself. This has resulted in some weight loss and better habits and hopefully some better dancing on my part. -
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 8:06 AMOh God Dian, this is exactly what I'm going through now! I'm 25 now and four years ago I was 130lbs. I'm a good 25-30lbs heavier now and I have a REALLY hard time dealing with that. I know that our metabolisms changes but I'm still really struggling with myself because I still have the image of what I "used to" look like lodged in my head and comparing that with the way I look now depresses me!
On a positive note, I took the very first step to accepting my belly on Saturday when I performed in public for the very first time. It was a little scary and I was a little self-conscious but it really helped to look around the hafla and see dancers of all shapes, sizes, colors, and ages baring their bellies proudly!! Bellydance is so body positive that it has really helped me start to learn to accept my body for what it is NOW and not what it WAS. I'm in better shape now than when I was tiny and I have a great deal more muscle tone but sometimes that old tiny waist still haunts me!! -
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 11:33 PMWelcome to adulthood, Faedra! :) Many of our society's images of "female beauty" are rooted in the looks of an adolescent: skinny, hairless (armpits and legs), wrinkle-less, fair skin on eyelids, etc., no age spots, no cellulite...
I will be 40 next month; I've gained and lost weight, I've been pregnant, I've had a C-section, I've breast-fed, and I can no longer sustain staying to near-midnight to read stuff on the Internet without looking like it the next day - and my body does not look like it did when I was 21, neither.
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 7:23 AMYou know what's interesting about the whole "ideal" is that it's pretty obviously to those of us who have been on the OTHER end of that spectrum that the window of acceptability is narrow as hell. I've gained a bit of weight recently, so I no longer have to deal with this, but I have always been on the end of scathing comments about being "too thin". As in...."GOD...Kim...you are soooooooooo skiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinny!!!" These proclamations were NOT said with anything even approaching admiration. Once, I was asked if I traded legs with an ostrich. This from a male adult when I was about 16. A**HOLE. Why is it okay to ridicule someone for being super thin, when at least some of the people who do so would never in a million years make fun of someone who is on the heavier side of the scale?
What's funny about all of this is that I have actually been side by side with a friend who was two sizes smaller than me and had comments made about how skinny I am. Why? Because my ring finger is a 4 3/4. My wrist is 5" around. I wear bracelets as anklets and can ALMOST wear an anklet as a choker. My bones are ridiculously small, so even though I am no where NEAR the size 3 worn in highschool, I was STILL getting thoughtless comments on my weight.
We're damn if we are and damned if we aren't. And even for those who manage to sit beautifully in the narrow little window, things are often not all rosy. Boys are afraid of them, girls are jealous of them. Where does that leave them?
Who is benefiting from making us all victims of self-doubt? We need to all encourage one another and see the unique beauty in everyone and forget about size.
Love to all!
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 8:29 AMMy dance partner and best friend has this problem Nichole!!! People are always commenting on how tiny she is, and how thin and blah blah blah... Her story is one of shock... She was in the bar one evening, in the bathroom, and a woman walked by and said "oh my god your so skinny you make me sick" so she replied back, "oh my god you are so fat it makes me sick" and the woman stopped and thought about what she had just said. It all worked out, the woman realized that she had said something offensive and appologised...
but people dont think that "thin" people have body image issues.
I still think its funny to see my dance partner take on one of her 4 great dane dogs, or all four at once.
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 11:28 AM"but people dont think that "thin" people have body image issues."
I've noticed that some people appear more comfortable saying things about how skinny someone is to that person's face. I know what my body looks like, I don't like the comments about needing to eat more, being a noodle, etc any more than someone who's heavier needs to hear about their weight. Passing judgement on someone for their body type does not provide for a supportive dance community. -
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 11:57 AMOh, goodness...I went thru that same thing...and I soooo wanted to repeat that line, at times...(the 'oh, you're so fat, you make me sick')...people don't think about what they say...words can sting worse than blows...
I was always tiny growing up...I'm just under 5'1" and couldn't break 103 lbs, no matter what I did...until I quit smoking 2 years ago and gained up to 124.5...!!! I'm very happy with the fact that I finally don't cringe when I see pics of myself...I never realised how thin I was, unless I saw pictures. I didn't notice it in the mirror...just didn't seem the same.
Thing is, now people tell me that 'you look so much better with a bit of weight on you'...well, hell...I know I was thin, but it's still insulting to tell me that I look better, now...like I looked horrible before...?!?! It's definitely a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
I'm happy with my body now...even tho I don't have a perfectly flat belly, like I used to...I feel healthier and I think at almost 42, I'm doing pretty damn good...I can actually wear nice bras and have a bit of cleavage...something I never had, before...and I don't have to shop in the children's section to get jeans to fit...which was a toss up, anyhow...cuz kids jeans just don't allow for hips, which I've always had...
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 12:10 PM"now people tell me that 'you look so much better with a bit of weight on you'...well, hell...I know I was thin, but it's still insulting to tell me that I look better, now...like I looked horrible before...?!?!"
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 5:50 PMMy doctor would be ecstatic if i was a size 12 or 124 lbs!!!!!
I told her the wieght on her chart was too low and it's never going to happen. ... I am "supposed" to weight 137 lbs.. I am about 5 ft 2 inches tall... I asked her if she'd be happy with 160 to 170 lbs and she answered with this comment..
I'd be happy with that if you could keep it off... It seems every time loose weight i put it back and and then some more... Right now i am hovering abouyt 200 lbs... And i am meds for high blood pressure..
Interesting web site here... It says "Did you know: Almost all "ideal body weight" websites use obsolete formulas or tables created in 1979 or earlier "
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 6:08 PMAs i was typing my last post i was thinking about something Winston Churchill once said..
Bessie Braddock: Mr Churchill, you are drunk.
Winston Churchill: And you madam, are ugly. But I shall be sober tomorrow.
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 6:50 PMoh yeah. The french have a lovely expression for that: l'esirit de l'escalier. It means "the spirit of the stairway", or the witty comebacks you think of once it's too late.
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 7:20 PMI am so glad this thread was started, I think this is an issue that so many of us share in and I know that belly dance and all the wonderful people I have met through it, has helped me so much. I am heart broken now when I hear other women speak poorly about themselves and I have actually started to accept compliments with almost grace. I actually had two instances last night where I accepted praise for something I made and the way I looked, with no apologies or sidestepping. It's a start. I never really felt like I had many women friends until I started belly dancing, because all the women I have met are so wonderful that I am honored to call you friends. It's very refreshing.
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 8:47 AM>oh yeah. The french have a lovely expression for that: l'esirit de l'escalier. It means "the spirit of the stairway", or the witty comebacks you think of once it's too late.<
I heard this one translated as "the wit of the staircase", but yeah, same idea. Lord love the French and their dead on expressions! :-)
Let's be la-de-da together! ;-)
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 10:29 AMI just went to the bodyweight calculator and noticed this: "Women tend to imagine their ideal weight is unrealistically low, so they diet unnecessarily. Men tend to allow their ideal weight to be higher than medically recommended. Men and Women should learn from each other."
Isn't that interesting? Isn't it also interesting that men aren't really targeted by advertising with self-image bombs? They don't wear make-up. They don't struggle to find just-the-right clothes/shoes/fill-in-the-blank. No high-heels. No iron underwear.
Men are judged on their accomplishments (or lack thereof, with a different set of insecurities built in) and women on their beauty (and often on their docility). Why aren't any of us judged according to the kind of person we are?
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Sat, May 24, 2008 - 4:24 PMNichole-I love Sandman! I have that one.
A few years ago I got a tattoo around my waist as a reminder and a celebration of my curves and femininity. I will never be a tiny woman and so my goal is to stay healthy. I used to have really long hair too & now it's similar to Nichole's. I have my first troupe performance coming up next month & I am really scared to put myself out there but I'm going to do it. We are all beautiful & we practice an art that celebrates that. Remember that joy!
I really like Dove's new "campaign for real beauty". www.campaignforrealbeauty.com
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Sun, May 25, 2008 - 9:59 AMWow! That film is stunning! Thank you for sharing it. I just emailed it to my contact list. It breaks my heart. That little girl is so beautiful and so happy and I wonder how long she's going to have that sweet smile as the wind picks up.
I'm sure you're going to kick ass in your performance! If you get a video, I'd love to see it!
(As an aside: I'm confused. Did I say something about Sandman somewhere down the thread that I don't remember? I do love it. Neil Gaiman is a master storyteller.)
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:34 AMKathleen, you're my new hero! I checked out the website and now I don't feel quite so bad. I'm still a little overweight according to those numbers but not as much as I thought. Thank you! And the Winston Churchill comeback...hysterical!
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 9:16 PMI'd like to know more about what makes the charts obsolete. I mean, other than being old . . . but is there something we know now but didn't know then about weight and its relationship to health that makes those charts especially un-helpful? I'd always had this idea that older image ideals were more attainable: I'd rather be compared to Marilyn Monroe or Sophia Loren than Calista Flockhart and Paris Hilton.
I feel very good about my weight. According to the calculations on the webpage you linked to, I weigh seven pounds more than what most women my height and age THINK they ought to weigh. That's pretty close, actually. Um . . . hooray me? I wouldn't mind weighing more, if only all the weight would go to my boobs instead of my thighs! :-)
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 11:27 AM"I've heard it said that "muscle weighs more than fat." so I wonder how muscle tone figures into these equations. "
I think not accounting for muscle is part of the problem with these charts.
"The BMI table considers Keanu Reeves, Will Smith and even Brad Pitt overweight. It calculated Sylvester Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger to be obese. " http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:Uu_rZZw0Ks0J:www.theeastcarolinian.com/news/20...=2&gl=us
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 11:54 AMI told my dh one time that he saves so much time and money being a man...
No Make up, no bra, no feminine times, simple haircuts... Etc Etc Etc
He is fond of this saying... Women are like boats, it's not the hull that costs alot of money, It's all the rigging!!!
And darn it that is true.. Plus the fact that dh only owns about 6 pairs of shoes and a pair iof workboots.. Has 2 jackets he wears and changes them with the season... And he wears only a watch and ring... No jewellry "collection"...
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:04 AMwow that website with the charts is really interesting, thanks!
They are right that the first box is waaaaaay too low! I almost choked when I saw the number in there. It also told me that my bmi is currently at 26.6, if I loose about 10 pounds or so I'll be in the healthy range of 19-25. Not too bad I suppose :)
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 12:00 PM<Interesting web site here... It says "Did you know: Almost all "ideal body weight" websites use obsolete formulas or tables created in 1979 or earlier " >
I'm still reading through this thread, but had to stop and make a comment about this...
These numbers for "ideal" body weight are derived from insurance companies and are used to determine how much money they will charge you. The "ideal' body weight for women has actually steadily decreased over the last 30+ years (in the US...not in any of the other Western countries) and the "ideal" body weight for 'men' has slowly gone up.
To sum up...those numbers are BS.
I'm 5'9 ish....I am "supposed" to weigh no more than 145 lbs. I have a large bone structure...and even if I didn't...I wouldn't want to weigh that.
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Thu, May 22, 2008 - 10:08 AMThank you so much Kathleen for posting this. I'm twenty years old and I haven't been to a doctor in two years because of the horrible experience I had last time. It was my first time seeing a new doctor. Everyone pre-doctor was very nice, the took my blood pressure height and weight (the nurse had to stand on a stool to get my height). I am ~5'10 and well over 200 lbs, with near perfect blood pressure. The first thing the doctor did was retake my blood pressure, she couldn't believe how some \one 'as big as me' could have such low blood pressure. The rest of the visit was basically interrupted with snide comments about different diets I should try.. basically the conversation went like this:
Do you smoke?
No
You should try a carb-free diet. Do you use drugs?
No
You should really start eating less. Do you drink?
Not very often
You should eat nothing but boiled chicken
ok.. so it was paraphrased, either way I went home and cried for two hours. Based on the website you posted I *should* weight 183, a far cry from the 145-155 my 'doctor' recommended. At 145 I would look skeletal... Thank you for the confident boost, I still want to loose weight but having a far more realistic goal makes it easier -
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Thu, May 22, 2008 - 12:12 PMOh my god!! I'd report that doctor for unethical behaviour...
So fire that one and find one you do like.... Hopefully the next one will not be so harsh.. They need to listen to your concerns and ideas.. Did you tell that doctor about dancing? Do you exercise at all? A couple times my doctor has mentioned that if i did loose some more weight she could probably take me off my BP meds and i would not be so out of breathe after i dance.. She reminds not lectures.. And if i am there for an ache or a pain and ask her if i should stop dancing to see if it gets better she says, No Way, dancing is good for you and it's not going to make it worse.. Perhaps i, and my dh are so lucky that we have fantastic female doctor..
ACutally one "diet" that me doctor does recommend is going to Weight Watchers on a regular basis.. It's not a diet, there is nothing you can't have and they are very supportive there... You might also want to consider seeing a nutritionist or dieticain too.. They know way more about eating than any medical doctor does..
I hate to hear stories like yours because it takes aliot of the respect for the profession away.
My mil had an eye doctor who said, the first time he came into the room and layed eyes on her, Your glasses are crooked!
She hated him from that moment on.. There was not "bedside" manner at all... Doctors seem to still be trained to be doctors and there fore don't really have many good interpersonal skills.. Dentists are the same way...
And if you bp is good, you have no heart disease , etc, etc then what is wrong with being 200 lbs when you are 5 feet 10 inches tall...
I am about the same weight and i am only 5 feet 2 inches tall...
When you go find another doctor you should interveiw him... I've done that with specialists too.. And if i don't like them i find another one... If you don't your health will suffer!
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Thu, May 22, 2008 - 12:54 PMAlecia: There is nothing okay about her treating you like that. If a doctor is concerned about your weight, there are many ways to phrase it without making it a judgement. It sounds like the woman has issues. Please don't let her rub them off on you. -
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Fri, May 23, 2008 - 5:14 PMNicole: If a doctor is concerned about your weight, there are many ways to phrase it without making it a judgement.
Sadly Alecia's experience is not uncommon. While a physician is educated (one would hope) , too often bias overrules common sense and standard medical knowledge. If they have a personal issue with weight and have pre-concieved notions, they might actually reject everything from medical literature to recent studies that may conflict with their own personal issues. essentially...we believe what we want to hear and physicians are no different. if they have a personal bias against weight, they will let you know whther it is reasonable or not. I, personally, have the opposite problem. I weigh far more than I look and could perhaps drop a few pounds. Despite looking at the numbers from the scale, I have never had a doctor say to me to loose weight. Clearly this is due to a visual perception and bias. The other factor is that many physicians (as well as the general public) believe that if you just eat right and exercise you will be thin and healthy. If only this were true. The public is ignorant and not well versed on medicine but physicians are and when they fixate on a women and her weight then they are no longer effective and should not practice anything remotely resembling a science.
Weight charts are based on statistical averages (and yes...insurance companies shoot low because it is a safer bet) of a general population in regards to health concerns. Many questions arise from this when using statistical data such as ...how big was the sample pool and was the size sufficient to make an accurate analysis? What type of population was tested? Healthy? Unhealthy? Obviously they are basing it on a direct correlation between health and weight which can be a wide range due to too many factors.
So...bottom line is if you feel good and your weight is not a hindrance on your health then it should not matter what size clothing you wear nor what weight you are.
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Sat, May 24, 2008 - 3:43 PM"So...bottom line is if you feel good and your weight is not a hindrance on your health then it should not matter what size clothing you wear nor what weight you are." (Anne Marie)
Say it, sister!
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 10:08 PMDo any of you "tiny" girls have any advice for my daughter? She is just 5 years old, but she is tiny (about 30 pounds); she was below the "chart" for baby weight until just recently (now she's just under the 5th percentile). People comment on how cute and SMALL she is all the time. I want to be a good role model for her, and I guess somehow "defend" the size she is. (If she's like me and my sister, she will never be tall but she'll put on the weight once she reaches "real" adulthood!)
What do you wish your mom had said when people made comments on what a petite girl you were? What do you wish you could go back and tell your 5, 8, 10, 14-year-old self to reply with? (talk about an after-the-moment snappy response! That's down the stairs, out the door, and a few blocks away!) -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:04 AMHiya: Hmmm.....perhaps you could say something simple like "what does her size have to do with anything?"
Or maybe "I'm raising her to see that size is irrelevant. I would appreciate it if you wouldn't comment on it."
That's a little tougher than spouting off in self-defense, given how you clearly want to be careful about how you word your response to avoid adding to the issue. I hope you find something that feels right for both of you. I wish more moms out there were so aware of how their children might be affected by the carelessness of others.
Dian: Nice job on the compliment accepting! It's crazy how hard that can be.
What do you ladies think it is about bellydancing that promotes self-esteem? The posture? (Hold your head up! Keep that back straight!), the wide array of figures? The oohing and ahhing of other women when they see us dance? (If this is straying too far off topic, I can start a new one put a link to it here.
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Re: Body image and ego
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:44 AMHiya,
As her mom, you are in terrific position to influence your daughter’s ideas of beauty and self-acceptance. An option you could try would be to direct the person’s attention to your daughter’s other great qualities in a positive way. Show them (and her) all of her beauty, not just her physical appearance. This would serve two purposes, to help someone else see her for who she is and look beyond her size; and it would help your daughter value herself, rather than getting an imprint that there is value in being shorter, thinner, etc. than her peers. (It will head off unreasonable expectations about herself as an adult, too.)
Responses to “She’s really cute/small”, could be anything, like, “She’s really smart, too.” Or, “She is very creative; she makes the best mud pies in the neighborhood. They are delightfully messy.” You could tell them (and her) how kind or thoughtful she is. Maybe she helps out around the house or with siblings, acknowledge that she thinks family is important and how wonderful that is. Or maybe she is very loyal or a fast learner or very accomplished. Perhaps she has a knack for explaining things to others or teaching. Maybe she is a great reader or storyteller. Or maybe she is wonderfully curious. Or like you, perhaps she is a talented artist.
To encourage your daughter to appreciate physical attributes, you can compliment her on her features, too. Maybe she has a really cute nose, lovely ears, sweet hands and feet. I’m sure that at five, she has the most beautiful hair color and texture. And, a winning smile (even better, when her baby teeth fall out and she has gaps; or new adult teeth growing in. So cute!) As a belly dancer you can share with her how make up and clothing is about personal adornment and is for your own enjoyment and creativity, rather than trying to impress or outdo others.
If you sew, perhaps you can teach her when she’s ready. Maybe you could use that as a way to teach her how to alter her own clothes to fit, like hemming pants. This way she wouldn’t feel badly about what size a clothing label says, and would value the importance of well-fitting comfortable clothing.
Lots of positive directions you can go with this. Good luck! : ) -
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Re: Body image and ego
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 2:51 PMI got alot of comments when I was growing up about my size...I was probably about the same as your daughter...to the point where my mom took me to the doctor...and the old doc told her that 'she'll grow when she feels like it...ain't nothin' wrong with that child'...*giggle*...I loved Doctor Cole...
I also used to have one of our extended family that would tease me and say I wasn't knee high to a grasshopper...or knee high to a duck...but he was one person that I didn't mind the teasing from...cuz he would also say that I was as tough as nails and that I could out fish most of the men he knew...I understood that his teasing was because he loved me...he was a great old man and I still am very partial to his family today...I banter with his son, quite often...he's the same way...he's my favourite cousin...:-)
I did get many worse comments, tho...and they escalated as I got older...everything from shrimp, shortcake, flea...you name it, I got it...until I decided to just go with it...when I finally just laughed at the jokes, they stopped...and I learned to make the most of my size...used to always find the best hiding places when I'd play hide-and-seek with my friends...cuz I could fit in smaller areas...*giggle*
I agree with finding something about your daughter that does not relate to her size and play up on it...I'd be willing to bet that she does great somersaults...and the smile of a 5 yea
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