an ethical question.

topic posted Thu, September 10, 2009 - 1:11 PM by  greer
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if a dancer is taking classes with one teacher once a week... is it unethical or incorrect for her to take classes from another teacher on another night once a week?

this is troubling me... any advice is appreciated.
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greer
St. Louis
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  • Re: an ethical question.

    Thu, September 10, 2009 - 1:33 PM
    Not at all. And I would worry about a teacher who gets upset if you do. They should encourage you to grow in all the ways possible - and their teaching skills should not be so easily impuned by you learning from someone else in addition to them. Do be careful not to say things like "that's not how so-and-so does it" in class. Wait until after class, and say something polite like "I've also learned it could be this way as well - is that right? Is there more than one way, or am I confusing two different things?" Know what I mean?
    • Re: an ethical question.

      Thu, September 10, 2009 - 1:45 PM
      yeah, i totally get it. thank you so much for your input. i'm kind of new to bellydance and i want to be respectful to my teachers, but i also want to take as many classes as possible!

      thanks a lot,

      greer
  • Re: an ethical question.

    Thu, September 10, 2009 - 3:19 PM
    While I agree that it's fine I have a personal experience to share from the point of view of a teacher. I've always encouraged my students to take as many dance/movement classes as they can fit into their schedule. I once had a student who was also a member of my troupe study with another teacher in the area who's style was quite similar to mine (we have the same teacher but vary a bit in our interpretation.) After a few months the student/troupe member started getting the two styles "confused". She would correct beginner students in my class and have them do the moves in the other teachers style and when I called her on it she would tell me that I was teaching them wrong! We're a tribal improv troupe and when she was leading she would throw in moves that none of us know. It got to the point where she was challanging every aspect of our style and myway of leading the troupe.

    It got really ugly and I lost a student and dear friend because of it. So.. moral of the story, take all of the classes you want just keep the style difference clear in your head and always be respectful of your teachers.
    • Re: an ethical question.

      Fri, September 11, 2009 - 7:11 AM
      thank you so much for your perspective on this. i don't think i'll be in either teacher's troupe... at least not for a while. i haven't been dancing for that long.

      as far as i can tell they teach different styles of bellydance. one of them is very intensely tribal/west african fusion focused... which is really the most up my alley, but she has less experience with bellydance than the other teacher. the teacher with more experience teaches a little bit of everything... which i also feel is very important. as much as i love tribal, someday i know i'm going to perform, and i want to nail down each style on my journey as a bellydancer.

      i'm going to be learning bharatanatyam, too!
  • Re: an ethical question.

    Thu, September 10, 2009 - 3:26 PM
    Yeah, I feel like it's vital for dancers to study as much as possible with as many teachers as possible. Everyone teaches differently, and you can pick up new tidbits.

    I would be honest and open with both teachers if they ask, maybe something like, "I'm trying to train with a few different teachers to learn as much as I can." If a teacher has a problem with you studying with another teacher, I would listen to what they say with a grain of salt. If they badmouth the other teacher, act unprofessionally, etc. then perhaps that's an indicator that this teacher is not wanting what's best for you. If they reference things like potential for injury, that might be something to consider.
  • Re: an ethical question.

    Thu, September 10, 2009 - 3:58 PM
    Any teacher that tries to discourage you from taking other classes from other teachers has her own issues to contend with. It is not really any teacher's business whom else you are taking from, except in terms of simple curiosity or interest in what other styles you've learned. I say this as both a teacher and a student.

    I always ask my students if they are new to bellydance, what other styles of dance and bellydance they've studied, and with which teachers, but only so that I am informed in terms of their skill level and style. And if they ask about other classes, I am more than happy to recommend my favorites and those I think they'll benefit from. Spread the knowledge!
    • Re: an ethical question.

      Thu, September 10, 2009 - 7:52 PM
      100% with Gibson in that if either teacher has a problem then the issue lies with them.

      And Beka...I'm sure you could start a 100+ post thread on your experience alone. It happens ALL the time, especially with improv!
  • Re: an ethical question.

    Fri, September 11, 2009 - 12:36 AM
    I don't think there is anything wrong with taking classes with different teachers on different nights. However, the grey area comes in when it comes to performing with either teacher's troupe. This may be fine when one is a tribal troupe and another a cabaret, but a conflict of interests arises when both troupes perform the same dance style.

    There is a student who is part of our dance studio, where we perform cabaret and have a tribal troupe, and chose to study tribal with another studio and not with our in-house tribal teacher. However, she then began performing cabaret with this other studio after misleading the studio owner and without anyone else knowing. At the beginning of the year we all sign a contract that states that we will not perform with another studio without the permission of the studio we belong to.
  • Re: an ethical question.

    Fri, September 11, 2009 - 12:42 PM
    There is another thought to consider: "Jack of all trades, master of none." It is admirable to want to explore many different styles of dance and movement, and you should! When you are first starting out dancing, there is no way to know who and what you want to express within yourself if you aren't sampling many mediums with which to do so. And different teachers will have different strengths and weaknesses and will be able to guide your journey in many different ways.

    But so, too, have I seen dancers who thought they could "do it all", when really they were mediocre at best in a lot of things, but never really got a handle on any one thing. Instead of doing a few things really well and with a lot of knowledge and integrity, they wanted to sample everything and never got into the depth it takes to do it *right*.

    If you love a particular style of dance, especially ethnic dance, and you want to do it justice, giving it the focus and time it deserves can be the key difference between a so-so dancer and a remarkable one.

    Does this mean anyone can only ever do ONE style of dance?! NO WAY! Some dancers excel in many areas (and that is where some of the best fusion comes from in our community, too!). But taking a "one step at a time" approach to your education can sometimes be a great way to achieve greater knowledge and skill in whatever it is you choose to do down the road.

    If I may add, this is particularly important if you ever get into group improvisation. It can be very confusing to have multiple vocabularies running around in your head, and with group improv you have to be able to bring each movement to the fore in a split second, responding quickly and clearly to the cues. To make that look smooth, confident, and most of all *natural* (not forced or stumbling), focusing on one vocabulary, and hooking up with a class, group, or troupe who you dance with regularly to really get the details down pat, will be the key to making you a strong improv dancer!

    Again, this is something to consider in your next steps of the dance. If you have only been dancing a couple years, sample EVERYTHING. Try new styles, new teachers, new philosophies. Read a lot. Watch a lot of video. Then when you start to feel yourself zeroing in on one or two styles/aesthetics that really keep calling you back, spend some focused time there and really dig into it and do it up right.

    Just another side to consider!
    • Re: an ethical question.

      Fri, September 11, 2009 - 1:59 PM
      >If you love a particular style of dance, especially ethnic dance, and you want to do it justice, giving it the focus and time it deserves can be the key difference between a so-so dancer and a remarkable one. <

      i agree and i have no intention of this journey of mine being sloppy. i plan on dancing until my body gives out, and hopefully that won't be until i'm 80. i'm 28 now. that gives me 52 years to master it. i think i can do it. and i think i will love every step along the way.

      i don't dance because i want to be a performer... although i know i will be a some point. i dance because i have to, because it heals and restores my soul and my emotions and makes me feel alive. i was raped several years ago. this is helping me recover the grace and feminity i feel that i lost.

      bharatanatyam- i would never hope to perform it, but i love it and it's fun.. and i particularly love to dance the roles of the hindu deities(my yoga practice has filled me with a deep love of the hindu goddesses).

      i guess what i'm saying is, when i dance, it's a ritual for me. i dance because it makes me feel alive. that's really all i care about right now.

      anyway. i haven't been practicing bellydance regularly for more than 3 months, so i'm just really extremely excited to finally be getting my 3/4 shimmy down. :)
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      Re: an ethical question.

      Sun, September 13, 2009 - 8:09 PM
      I love that!

      I just started taking Jazz (I know not this type) and the whole foot ball change this is ridiculous. lmao! For some reason people think because I been dancing for a very long time that I will just pick things up easily. I mean I do, but it isn't overnight let me tell ya.

      I am learning ITS from another instructor on Wednesday. My teacher wouldn't mind it as she always says, "There are many forms of this dance and that their is always something to learn from it."
    • Re: an ethical question.

      Tue, September 15, 2009 - 3:16 AM
      I agree with Shay. It takes work and practice time to perfect any dance, for your average working person doing too many different classes takes up your time and doesnt leave much time left to practice.
    • Re: an ethical question.

      Thu, October 29, 2009 - 1:27 PM
      Shay, my question might be the opposite of this thread. I've taken classes for 3 years and found I totally love ATS and have been studying it via the videos for over a year now -- headed to GS in March. There are NO ATS teachers in my area but I keep taking beginner/intermediate classes that are available because I tell myself the basics are the basics. I'm kinda losing interest in other classes and would rather save my $$$ for GS or other workshops which might be applicable to ATS. What thinks you and the others: is it better to stay in any class rather than no formal classes at all???
      • Re: an ethical question.

        Thu, October 29, 2009 - 2:06 PM
        That's a tough one. As for me, I like to be challenged. It's how my interest stays active. If I have no new obstacle to overcome or nothing new to learn, it all becomes sort of...blah. But to not take any classes at all, I feel, is also a mistake. There's that awesome, interactive element to an in-person class that you can't get from a video, and a video will never correct you if you're unintentionally doing something wrong.

        Hmm...you've stumped me. I want an answer to this question, too, just out of curiosity. What does everyone else think? My tentative verdict: take a minimum amount of classes, if you feel you've mastered everything they teach, and save your money for as many workshops as possible. Keep taking instruction from DVDs because at least that way, you'll be shown new moves and choreography with which you can challenge yourself. So I guess I'm saying, do everything at once. :-P Real helpful, right?
        • Re: an ethical question.

          Fri, October 30, 2009 - 12:32 AM
          "There's that awesome, interactive element to an in-person class that you can't get from a video, and a video will never correct you if you're unintentionally doing something wrong. "

          WORD girlfriend! I would rather take basics classes over and over from a live teacher I trust than no classes at all. But I would definitely SUPPLEMENT that with as many workshops, classes in other styles, and videos I could to expand my understanding and experience!
          • Re: an ethical question.

            Fri, October 30, 2009 - 6:15 AM
            I think "Live teacher I trust" is key here. My first instinct is to say, yes, stay in at least one class a week because it's always good to drill the basics, but if the teacher isn't good or, worse, is harmful (either in teaching techniques that injure you or is emotional/mentally abusive) I would just practice at home.
  • Re: an ethical question.

    Sun, September 13, 2009 - 2:11 PM
    The only issue I've had is how I hold my arms. Right now I only train with one teacher but do some on my own that is more tribal fusion oriented. My current teacher is more cabaret style. Sometimes she has to remind me to keep my arms softer in her class but she knows that tribal is where my interest is. If there were a tribal teacher closer I would go to both since I my teacher is great and, not that it would stop me but she wouldn't be offended.
    • Re: an ethical question.

      Mon, September 14, 2009 - 2:43 AM
      Oh yeah - the arms! I did a Sharon Kihara workshop a while ago and at one stage she corrected my arms and said they were very Egyptian. I spent 4 years in Cabaret classes struggling with my arms and now when I have changed styles and I'm trying to be Tribal my arms are Cabaret? Argh!

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