ATS question

topic posted Mon, November 2, 2009 - 12:59 PM by  offlineZiva Diva
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For the ten years I've danced it's been mostly American style bellydance (cabaret) and some tribal fusion. I made a brief foray into ATS a few years ago and LOVED it.

I'm now working with groups of women in residential rehab facilities for drug/alcohol addiction. The way I normally teach a cabaret bellydance class doesn't really work with these women because they come and go.

I'd like to review and/or relearn ATS cues/transitions in order to work with these women using this format--keeping in mind this is just an exercise or outlet for them that most won't pursue once they leave this facility--it's a way for me to bring them a little fun and introduce them to belly dance. To relearn the cues/transitions/moves I will need to do that by DVD.

So-here's my question: for learning the cues/transitions who do you feel has the better dvd's? Answer me privatey if you prefer. I have looked at FatChance and was on the 'net just now looking at Gypsy Caravan.

Please help! (grins!)
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Ziva Diva
Alabama
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  • Re: ATS question

    Mon, November 2, 2009 - 3:05 PM
    If you want authentic ATS, you need the Fat Chance videos. Everything else is a derivation, no offense or judgment meant towards the originators of the other versions. (For more of an explanation of the differences between ATS, ITS, etc., there are detailed threads on the ATS tribe). If you are not so concerned with authenticity, the Black Sheep Bellydance and Gypsy Caravan DVDs have also gotten good reviews.
  • Re: ATS question

    Mon, November 2, 2009 - 8:54 PM
    I second FatChance! While Black Sheep & Gypsy Caravan are awesome, they don't appear to cue, per se. Their combos are just that - combinations of moves that flow and kick off the next round of combos. Fat Chance does say that cues will be different for each group of dancers - it's kinda like the game of telephone. ; )
    • Re: ATS question

      Mon, November 2, 2009 - 11:05 PM
      Blacksheep DVD's do have the cues - Each move is explained, turns/travelling steps are added and the cue for that move is demonstrated. You practice a series of moves without verbal prompts so you get used to looking for the cues.
  • Re: ATS question

    Tue, November 3, 2009 - 7:49 AM
    I've viewed/learned from Fat Chance, Gypsy Caravan and Blacksheep. Gypsy Caravan didn't seem to teach cues. Blacksheep and Fat Chance were both quite easy to learn the cues on. I should think that you would want to revisit whatever style ATS you learned in the past. If you're looking to start anew, I'd go with Fat Chance. The videos are good, easy to learn from, and the 1st and 4th DVDs are full of basic moves that can translate well to "excercise with bellydance flavor."

    Have you considered looking into Carolena's (Fat Chance) Woman Power Workout? I haven't watched it, but have heard good things about it.
    • Re: ATS question

      Tue, November 3, 2009 - 9:40 AM
      Alex-

      I haven't seen the Woman Power Workout but have also heard it's good. I do think I'll return to that format. I appreciate all input.

      Z
  • Re: ATS question

    Tue, November 3, 2009 - 10:37 AM
    Hey Ziva,
    First I wanna say that it sounds GREAT that you are bringing the dance into darker places where it is needed most. As a dance I consider incredibly empowering and validating as a woman, working with women at risk seems such a wonderful choice. Thank you for your efforts.

    As for your thoughts on doing ATS with them, I wanted to present another thing to consider. I find that group improvisation, even more than *any other* style of bellydance I have done, requires *consistency*--both in individual students and in the class as a whole. Because it relies in being able to work together, if everyone is not on the same page every week (or at least close), they can't work together, and thus you can't dance together as ATS is intended. With students drifting in and out, I think you would have a nearly impossible time teaching them group improvisation because of this need to work together with a somewhat level group of experience and knowledge.

    I would instead recommend maybe a basic core bellydance moves class which rounds out each class with putting a couple moves into combos. So, say, teach hip circles at the beginning of the class, breaking down the muscular impetus and playing with variations; then teach a couple moves using hip circles; then at the end put the couple moves into combination, maybe add a traveling foot pattern, and you're dancing. The next week concentrate on a chest movement skill, teach a couple moves in that family, pair into combo and dance... This way, each week you have the option to stick with the plan, by teaching only the foundation concept and movements you planned for that night if the attendees are all new; or expand on the previous week, building the combo from the previous week and tacking on new concepts from this week, for a group who has returned from the previous lesson.

    This, I have found, is the best format for a rotating attendance and mixed level courses. It can be scaled up or down in difficulty as well for veteran dancers or noobs, using different layering concepts such as more intricate arms, foot positioning or patterns, traveling, levels, and shimmies.

    Just some food for thought! Gawd knows I loves me some ATS, but I am personally not sure it is the best choice given your constraints. Anyone else have a different experience with this?
    • Re: ATS question

      Tue, November 3, 2009 - 10:40 AM
      And I would add that you could take a page out of the ATS playbook and have a 6 week repeating cycle, drawing up a lesson plan of ideas to work through in that period and then begin at square one after 6 weeks. Makes your job teaching easier, and rewards longtime students with some chance at repetition and building muscle memory for those skills.
    • Re: ATS question

      Tue, November 3, 2009 - 5:48 PM
      Shay-
      An excellent suggestion! Thank you. You mentioned something I hadn't considered...basically in both cabaret and ATS there is the same limitation--people coming and going and not everyone being on the same page at the same time. Thanks! lol!

      With that in mind-I'll set about working on a way to do this.

      ZD
      • Re: ATS question

        Wed, November 4, 2009 - 11:53 AM
        At least in solo dance forms, if one person is behind or struggling, it doesn't affect the ability of others to practice and advance in the class environment. In ATS, if you get someone walking in brand new, and you throw them into group improv, it can hinder the other dancers from getting the work they need done, ya know?

        Keep us posted. I am sending good juju for your efforts!!
    • Re: ATS question

      Wed, November 4, 2009 - 7:09 PM
      SUCH a good point, Shay. That's something to consider in multiple different circumstances. The troupes I'm a part of have been running into problems for just that reason-- too many people not making it to classes or practices being cancelled (to be fair, there's been lots of sickness going around). It's SO easy to lose connection in ATS. I took two weeks off this summer and when I came back to classes I was amazed at what I'd lost.

      Good luck, Ziva! This is such a rad thing you're doing.
      • Re: ATS question

        Wed, November 4, 2009 - 7:17 PM
        Thank you, Ladies. I'll keep you posted on how it goes. I'm really narrowing down the list of moves so that it will fit the ever changing population at this facility. It is a joy to see these women have so much fun....what a lot of people don't know about many women who have been or are addicted to chemicals is that they have been sexually abused or misused in a lot of ways.

        If you ever think of anything that would be helpful please let me know.

        Shimmies!
        ZD

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